Episode #9
Diet, GMOs, and More
In this episode:

Aaron and Josh dive into diet trends and how impactful they can be. The podcasters talk about how diet trends are constantly changing as time goes on. They also go over how GMOs influence the market for food and much more.

Avaliable on: Apple, Spotify, YouTube
Watch This Episode
Show Highlights
  • Diets
  • GMOs
  • Healthy Lifestyle


Men Explained 0:00
The information provided in this episode is provided for informational purposes only, and is not intended to replace professional medical advice. If you have questions regarding your health, please contact your medical provider. All right, welcome back. And welcome back, Josh.

Josh Simms 0:17
Hey, man, yeah, it’s good to be back.

Men Explained 0:19
Today’s topic is gonna be around diets, and this is gonna be a fun one. So there’s a lot to unpack here. But, you know, Josh is a personal trainer for a number of years, myself, I wrestled for for 15 years. So we are not dietitians. We’re really just coming together to get a little bit closer to the truth, and a better mindset around around the diet. Right. There’s a lot of misinformation around there. A lot of different groups, so to speak, that you can get yourself involved with. And you know, what, what we what we noticed is that there tends to be a little bit of a desire to find the quick fix. Oh, yeah. Things that fit into a box, we like things that that that can organize really well. So if it works well, for you, it must work well for me. You know, there’s there’s a groupthink mentality, which is what we were talking about at the at the top of the, or just before the, the podcast today. So it’s almost where, you know, there’s like the we’re right, you’re wrong, us versus them, or Yeah. And it’s a it’s a terrible argument to get into because we are not biologically the same. We don’t we don’t come from the same origins. Yep. So that’s a dangerous place to get into. But what we hope to do is to is to get closer to the truth in a better mindset. So if you go out and look at information on the internet, right now, you’re going to find the answer that fits your narrative, right? That’s the way that the internet works. So it’s, it’s it’s designed, and it will circle itself around the answer that you’re looking for. That’s the way the internet works. Yeah. So it’s easy to find the answer that you’re looking for. But the internet doesn’t care about your health. Right? So there’s this mentality that if I go and find my group, and it works, it’s it works well, for them, it will work well for me.

Josh Simms 2:15
Yeah. And you look up, you go, go and look at keto diet for 20 minutes. How many keto as you’re gonna get on your phone for the next week? Exactly. You know, I mean, it’s built to do that. I mean, just to support what you’re saying, there. That’s what it’s for.

Men Explained 2:27
Yeah. It’s, it’s designed to be personal to you.

Josh Simms 2:34
What do you think what they think is

Men Explained 2:35
the right the, what, like a model of you, right? What you call it not an emoticon? But some else anyway. So that is a never, I never before representation of a person, which is you. So how can we replicate that right? There also needs to be a pretty clear distinction between what is really aggressive marketing and advertising. Right. So it’s really easy to look at things and think, Oh, this is healthy. It’s got the right labels. It’s it says the thing on the on the on the label, it’s got the right colors. That’s, that’s aggressive marketing, right. Everything in the in the supermarket is designed to it’s a market. Yep, it’s there to make a profit, it’s there to sell your products. It also doesn’t care about your health. So there needs to be a distinction between what is actually good, and also what is good for you. And also what is designed to to get me to buy a product, right? So we just need to be able to like read and understand ingredients better. You know, where they come from, get closer to the source before the internet unless you actually sat down to read. What was all in your food? Who had the time to actually do that? Yeah, well, producers now have to abide by better policies, because now it’s the information is at our fingertips. We can we can find out you’re laughing but you

Josh Simms 4:03
know, it’s good. That’s a good thing. Right? You hold their feet to the fire. Exactly. Yeah.

Men Explained 4:07
Yeah. So it’s no more like that. That’s what, you know, what, what they were able to get away with, you know, in the 70s 80s and 90s. Specifically, with like a low fat diet, but now that this is all out there to read, they need to abide by them because there’s nowhere to run and hide. So the other thing too, is we just need to have a better understanding of like how those things affect our like our body. So like when I eat this, this is what happens, right? There needs to be like a an attention to to the feedback that your body’s giving you. You know, we’re mindless eaters, those are that’s something that I’m I’m guilty of, we’re in a hurry, right? But usually the more restrictive a diet is, the more or less likely excuse me that you’re that you’re able to sustain it.

Josh Simms 5:00
And to cheat on and in the binge and it’s very hard for our bodies to make those drastic changes and take those things away. And then you know, you’re sitting around one day and you’re like, I have to have pizza or I am going to lose my mind. Yep. Right. And then you see people go, Okay, I’ll have two pieces. And then the next thing you know, the whole pizza,

Men Explained 5:18
it’s a landslide. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s like, okay, but you’re you’re you’re exactly right. I’m glad you mentioned that, because your body’s telling you something. And yet you’ll you’ll ignore that response, or that feedback that it’s giving you. And you’ll, you’ll continue to move in a different direction away from what your body’s trying to tell you. It’s a problem. So the goal here is threefold, right, we want to, we want to learn how our body reacts to the food that we’re eating. That’s unique to me, it would be unique to you. We need to develop a better relationship with food. So when we understand where it comes from, how it was treated, where it’s sourced. The conditions in which it was sourced and will actually pay more, if we understand that will savor it more, we’re willing to spend the extra money. So and the last thing too, is to get closer to our food source to eliminate the middleman in any way that you see. I want to ask the question. So when you were doing post Personal Training, or even when you work with with the patients that you see, die, it’s got to be probably one of the hardest topics to talk to them about.

Josh Simms 6:27
It’s it’s hard because it’s actually so easy, right? People. There’s this misconception that eating healthy is very complicated, right? It’s got to be this really deep, complicated process. And there’s no way it can just be lean meats and vegetables and, you know, finding you know, what works for you and cutting it down to very few food groups, people just or they don’t understand it doesn’t make sense, right? Because it’s, it’s meant to be confusing for people.

Men Explained 6:55
Yes, exactly. Yep. Yep.

Josh Simms 6:57
So it’s like, no, it’s really, it’s pretty easy to eat healthy. It’s not a very complicated process. And, and people almost just refuse to believe that it’s that way. So yeah, it is the it’s the it’s the biggest hurdle to get over our emotional connection to food, our stress response, how we run to food force, to help with stress is a is huge, it’s important, because we already stressed or hormones or are already out of whack. And when we’re stressed, every day, all day long, it messes with our body’s internal homeostasis, if you will, yeah. So nobody gets put in a position that’s not meant to be in, and then we go and eat, and then it messes with our hormones, even more puts us in a state to store fat instead of use it for energy. And just that cycle perpetuates, and things kind of go off the rails for people, and then they have a hard time finding that balance again, because when they do make the change, like we said, you feel terrible for those first, you know, three to five to even, you know, two weeks sometimes depending on where you’re what you’re coming out of and what you’re going into

Men Explained 7:57
it it’s it’s almost the there’s almost a stubbornness to to want to adapt and change. And I think it’s, it’s the mental block that people are having, which Oh, my God, that sounds so it sounds like a huge mountain. I’m never going to get there. Yeah. So they, they they talk themselves out of a war. It’s just like, if you think of it just like investing, because it’s no different.

Josh Simms 8:16
It’s really not. No, it’s very true. Yeah.

Men Explained 8:19
So I’m not going to become a millionaire by tomorrow,

Josh Simms 8:22
I’m not going to have a six pack, or I’m not going to run a five minute mile by tomorrow. But if I did a little bit each day, and over the long term that would really serve me well. That’s really the better mindset to have. It’s true. And if we could get people to relate to their, to their bodies, kind of like they do to their long term money investments, it’s extra, if you can get an understand that right, it would probably make more sense to them. But nobody wants that, right? Because we live in such an instant gratification society. And it’s I mean, even with money, people want it. They want it now, they don’t want to do the work to do it. Right. They don’t want to put in the grind. You see these people who are super successful, right? Oh, here’s a 47 year old guy made a million dollars, like you think you made a million dollars in two weeks? I do is grind in for 15 years to make that million dollars. Right? Yeah. So our Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, society. It skews our view and our reality of what that is. You see the guy or gal who’s in very, very good shape, they’re healthier. They look good. I want that now. Like, I just talked to that person. They’ve been training for 15 years straight for that, right? They look that way because they’ve been training forever. Right? So but that doesn’t sell

Aaron Tharp 9:36
right. And they could have been

Josh Simms 9:38
genetically predisposed to that sure. But you see people who are very very fit right now you can get very very fat, right? They still you still got to do the work still got to take care of yourself just like with your investing, right? You still got to save your you got to do your 401k you got to invest Well, you got to get with people that you trust to give you the right advice to do the right things right. So I think that’s I think it’s just a great comparison. If you can line it up for people that way to understand like, you know, you want to retire when you’re 65? Right? Yeah, great. Well, these are the steps you got to take, right? You want to be healthy and fit. And in a year? These are the steps you got to take to do it still a little bit every day.

Men Explained 10:13
Yeah, the more radical I mean, and to make the to make the distinction even even even clearer, the more radical investing that you do, the more risk that you take. So the more radical that your diet is, or the more the framework, if it’s pretty radical, if you’re eliminating entire food groups, or if you’re trying to do it in a really short amount of time. Yes, you may get some instant results, you may experience some some some backlash. But you know, the sustainability is really what you’re after, right? The growth and sustainability over the long term.

Josh Simms 10:46
Yeah. And I think the elimination diet stamp, I think it’s important to say that, like, it’s, it’s not, there is a place for them, right? And that’s when you’re trying to figure out like, health wise, what’s going on, like, My stomach hurts all the time, I’ve got diarrhea or constipation, I’m always fatigued, then it’s okay to say we’re gonna do some short term elimination, you take something out, I feel a whole lot better. Right? Perfect. That was probably why you weren’t feeling very good. So it’s appropriate for a short period of time just to learn more about your body. Not not an appropriate thing to do for 3456 months, right. Because first of all, it’s probably very hard to sustain that for that long anyway. But as a fad, it’s not I think for for specifically for health reasons for your the way that you feel. It’s probably okay for a pretty short period of time. Couple of weeks. Right. Dropping certain food groups to find out if that was the issue. Nope, that was an issue still feel like crap. Well, let’s try dropping this and adding that back in. But yeah, I think people think that the whole what’s the big one? The whole 30 that? That Gosh, yeah.

Aaron Tharp 11:53
You’re getting into like some culture stuff.

Josh Simms 11:54
Yeah, exactly. touched on that. Yeah.

Men Explained 11:56
Yeah. Cuz people they so their identity to Okay, I’m, I’m, this is my flag in the dirt. This is who I am. And in return, it’s like, dude, you should just the wind the goal. Apart from what I mentioned before, is if you can figure out what works well for you and eating healthy and feeling good. And all your energy levels up. ABC, whatever it is. You’ve won. Yeah. And at no point in winning, should you be like criticizing other groups and what works well, or what doesn’t for them?

Josh Simms 12:29
Yeah. Yeah. And I’ll be interested, hopefully, we can touch on kind of what works for you versus what kind of works for me when I’m eating healthy and dieting. Yeah. And how we’ll kind of maybe make that something that people can kind of see what that looks like, in real practice. You know, how, what it looks like when we shop for what works for our body, how we how we plan our diet around when we exercise and training and how it affects me because there’s plenty of stuff that you can do. Like I can show data of my sleep, my heart rates, I can track weight and everything like I can see how all that my my bio metrics change with my diet and exercise. That might be an interesting project. Wonderful. Yeah, guy Adam would be on board for work on his plate. Adam is our

Men Explained 13:13
as our AV guy. Shout out to him, by the way. Yeah, for sure. This is highly talented cat. So and I’ll add to that, that I bet that if I ate the same diet, as you did in a two week frame, and we looked at my metrics, they wouldn’t be the same as yours. No, no, probably not. Right. So why would I use your framework as thinking that that

Josh Simms 13:31
would be the diet that would fit for me? It’s interesting. Yeah. Okay, anything interesting mind. So it’s a very, I don’t know, I value the individual. So it’s very interesting to me that people think like, Oh, that’s worked for these 14 people. It’s

Aaron Tharp 13:43
gonna work for me. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

Josh Simms 13:45
Give it a shot. Right. I don’t I’m not against trying stuff. I think that’s also another topic we should out there. I’m not against trying something. But if you are noticing that it is you are not feeling good, your energy’s low, you’re having gi problems like pride time step away.

Men Explained 13:57
Yeah, for sure. So Alright, so the first one is going to be we’re going to get into like the the different types of diets. And we’ll illustrate kind of, you know, some of the ingredients and we’ll break each one down some of the most common ones. But the first couple things I wanted to talk about was was oils. So barring anything in the produce aisle, most of all the food that we have has some kind of plant oil in it. We’re talking corn, canola, cottonseed, palm oil, rapeseed safflower, sesame oil, soybean, sunflower, all those you know, it’s all it’s vegetable. All right, it’s got to be great. Okay. Well, the idea here is to understand again, where it comes from and how it was treated, right.

Josh Simms 14:37
Yeah. What so quickly explain why oils. Why this is your first touch point wire oils important?

Men Explained 14:44
Yeah. So like I said, If outside of produce there for the body, for the body. Yeah.

Josh Simms 14:49
Like why is that important for you to people, for people to understand the difference between these kind of vegetable oils and then the oils that we think that they shouldn’t be consuming?

Men Explained 14:58
Yeah. So The way that the way that those oils that I’ve just laid out. So again, corn, canola, cottonseed, palm, all those are highly processed and highly refined. They’re GMO, which means that they are genetically modified organisms, we don’t know what they’re going to do to your body, right mate made in a lab. So they’re not made naturally they were made by somebody in a coat with a test tube.

Josh Simms 15:24
So let’s not be eating that if we can avoid it. I mean, think about what was it? Like transplanting? Yeah, that was made in the lab. And we found it drastically increases your chance of dying from your diet, because it worsens heart disease and increases cholesterol, also, and so forth, right? Yeah, they quickly got rid of that stuff. Yep. So sorry to interrupt.

Men Explained 15:42
No, no, no, you’re, you’re good. So they’re highly processed, highly refined, they’re genetically modified. They also use a chemical or a gas hexane to extract the oil from the plant. Right? So hexane is what they use in biofuel, or they make biofuel from that.

Josh Simms 15:58
Yeah, I use that in my organic chemistry lab, I think. And we can, yeah, we can be done in the hood. Right? Yes. Was to breathe or touch it?

Men Explained 16:06
Exactly. So I mean, and I defy anybody listening. And you’d find it at my house, too. I’m not I’m not innocent. I’m just bringing you the information. I defy you to find products that are at your house that don’t have one of those oils that’s listed. Now if it’s expeller, press, that’s better. If it’s organic, it’s even better organic expeller Press great. But just don’t ignore the fact that like that’s a that’s an inflammatory substance, hexane that you’re that you’re ingesting at a mass level

Josh Simms 16:38
and you mean inflammatory by you put a light on it explodes. It’s not it’s going to cause inflammation within your body. I want to make sure people understand. Yeah, but equally bad.

Men Explained 16:47
Yeah. So there are three which we’ve talked about, which are actually really good. Yeah. So their heart healthy. They have brain benefits, skin benefits, joint benefits really good for your hair, your skin, your nails. Avocado oil. That’s one that you really like. Avocado oil, right?

Josh Simms 17:03
Don’t love avocados too much. But I love the avocado. Really? That’s interesting. Is it a texture thing? Yeah, we won’t get into that my wife will listen this and be like, Oh, here we go. conversation.

Men Explained 17:13
My mom’s the same way. She has a problem with avocados. It’s a texture thing they taste. If we put it in a taco, which I’d been like, why I would say

Josh Simms 17:21
that I could eat it. Right? Right. It’s just kind of got to get over though. Anyways, moving

Men Explained 17:24
Well, you’re you’re good, you’re good. So avocado is great. The other thing that’s really good about avocado oil is it’s got a high smoke point. So people that like to maybe pan fry or if they like to deep fry, it’s gonna be a little bit more expensive. Or heart healthy. It’s got those empty MCT oils in there. It’s also flavorless, right? And then coconut oil. That’s another one. That’s an all your suntan products. Well, maybe you want to maybe you want to fry with that one. Maybe that would be a good one to to use instead of like your your corner or your any other vegetable oils, right? And then the last one is going to be extra virgin olive oil. So that one’s always a guarantee. I think that’s pretty common.

Josh Simms 17:59
That’s a good one. Yeah. And I think one of the things about oils that’s important that people need to understand is that they’re everywhere. But the three that you just listed, they are very healthy fats for a body. Are you all the health benefits you mentioned for it? So when we are looking at diets and examining those things, and we talk about like, yeah, you should have plenty of fat in your diet for people who are going to do those. These are the types of fats we’re talking about. Don’t rely on the vegetable oils, rely on your your avocados, or coconuts or your extra virgin olive oil, because they are taste really good. They’re easy to use, and they’re there, they’re healthy for you find good throw a rock on the internet and find data to support that they are healthy for you. Right? Yeah.

Men Explained 18:40
So the next segment here is going to be around, you know, GMO organic, right. So that’s, that’s, those are two. Those are two things that I think get people kind of worked up and confused. Yeah. Right, what’s GMO? What’s non GMO? What’s organic? What’s all that? So I’ll just break down each one and simplified as best as I can. So non GMO, first of all, it’s a it’s regulated by a 501. c three in Washington, I believe. And I don’t think that the testing measures are ongoing. I think it’s just kind of an initial like you get you get the sticker, the certified Is that what you’re saying?

Josh Simms 19:18
The people who certify something as non GMO?

Men Explained 19:20
Yeah, so what it is, I mean, they’re they’re genetically modified organisms. So back to what you mentioned about it’s in a test tube or it’s in a lab. Yeah. Right. So or if, if the products or meat or eggs, or any kind of dairy, that means we’ll use a cow for example. That means that the feed that they ate was not genetically modified in any way if it’s non GMO. So if the statement is true that we are what we eat, if the cow ate genetically modified material to produce x result, and then we ate the cow, well then if we are we then We’ve also eaten a genetically modified organic material, or not organic material,

Josh Simms 20:05
but some byproduct of it within the tissues. Yeah, I fully agree with that. Yeah,

Men Explained 20:09
it doesn’t exist in natural space. And it’s not something our bodies are really know how to metabolize. Exactly. Right. It doesn’t know what to do with it. Right. So when you see that sticker, it’s, it’s, it’s compliant with that non GMO standard. Yeah. And there isn’t

Josh Simms 20:26
really that rigorous testing. I was gonna say, do we do? Have you found the process that they use? And do we is it compared to another process of verifying that? Do you know

Men Explained 20:37
where where the distinction? I think a lot of people get confused is okay, if it’s non GMO, is it organic? Or if it if it’s organic? Is it also non GMO?

Josh Simms 20:47
What No, my question was, is like so you know, when you test something, there’s a gold standard test for something right. But there’s also other tests that you can do on that. Are there other tests to verify that something is non GMO? Or these kind of the only guys in the room that are like we are this is our test? Like, has anybody challenged that test? Do you know?

Men Explained 21:04
Yeah, I’m like the the ongoing testing, I think it it, at least from what I understand it falls a little bit shorter than what’s in government reg, regulated, organic. So when you get that non GMO sticker it was tested. And I don’t know, if it was tested on an ongoing basis, I think that there’s less of that than there is when it is organic, because that is a government regulated, it is really strict. It is ongoing testing, it’s really expensive to get that organ. So if you see the USDA green organic sticker, that it’s worth, it got like that, that’s worth its weight in gold. Yeah. And it’s also the government regulated. So say what you want about the government? It’s like, those are really strict standards, GMOs. I mean, they’re I worked for 501 c three, so I’m not gonna like bash on a but like, how much restriction or regulation could they actually have?

Josh Simms 21:58
Yeah, what’s the oversight, ma’am?

Men Explained 22:00
Right. So in terms of like, challenging that or testing against that, that’s not my competency. So I could be

Josh Simms 22:09
No, I just did I it was it was a question if you if you knew or if you had seen anything else on it? Yes. Wasn’t sure. Yeah. Because I don’t know anything about that.

Men Explained 22:16
Sure. Sure. The other thing that’s with with organic so it that’s ran by the government, so they have strict guidelines in place ongoing testing, like I said, it’s very expensive to get that labels, not just Oh, yeah, they approved it. It’s like, it’s, it’s very expensive. there’s a there’s a lot that goes into it. They also care and they also have standards about the the way that which crops and animals are treated. And, and critters are treated. So specifically around the crops, it’s the pesticides. So the big thing with organic, and this is gonna freak a lot of people out. But the big thing with organic and this is why it’s more expensive, specifically with the pesticides. Well, let me first list growth hormones. They, they they’re regulating so that your food is not that there’s no growth hormones put into the critters that you’re eating. And so why would they use growth hormones, so that they could get a desire processed amount?

Josh Simms 23:17
no bigger deal? Yeah. So people don’t understand that. They pump your aunt, the animals full of steroids and growth hormone. So you get a 500 pound cow instead of a 250 pound cow. Exactly. Yeah.

Men Explained 23:27
Right. So just, I mean, when do you think that it was established that they were not able to put hormones into food? growth hormones?

Josh Simms 23:37
I have no idea.

Men Explained 23:38
So that that was first abolished in the 70s. Oh, wow. So when you see something on the label that says that they are nor hormones in your food, they haven’t been able to do that since the 70s. So again, that’s a marketing gimmick. That’s all there’s no hormones in my food in our shop. Maybe I’ll just

Josh Simms 23:55
buy it. Yeah.

Men Explained 23:56
Okay. Well, you need to pay a little bit more close attention. So growth hormones that was first abolished in the 70s. The big thing and this is going to shock a lot of people is the pesticides. So you, you you’re a homeowner, have you ever used the product roundup before?

Josh Simms 24:12
No. He means the lawsuits about it all. Actually to avoid it because of that. Yeah, right. But I know Yeah, I gotcha.

Men Explained 24:19
So but you when you have weeds or things that you want to get rid of you, you know what?

Josh Simms 24:25
That’s right with something. And

Men Explained 24:26
usually by tomorrow, that’s

Josh Simms 24:29
right on. Yeah.

Men Explained 24:30
So the the active ingredient in roundup is called glyphosate.

Josh Simms 24:34
Yep. So I know about that. Because from just when I was going through school, these are these organic, toxic, so people who ingest them or somebody was exposed to them through their skin, right? It’s an emergency situation. They’re very sick when people come in with that. So I do know that they’re freaking terrible for humans.

Aaron Tharp 24:53
Oh, so this is experiences when people have actually ingested it

Josh Simms 24:56
with your farmer out there and you get sprayed by that stuff, right? I mean, it absorbs into your skin. And those I mean, that’s life and death. I mean, that’s I mean, that’s in our emergency medicine textbooks, critical care textbooks on how to manage these patients what you got to do. It’s a big deal when people get exposed to that stuff. Okay, in large amounts. Yeah, I’m

Men Explained 25:13
really glad that you mentioned that. Because conventionally grown crops This is why it’s $1.02 more to buy that green sticker. Oh, no, it’s organic, not gonna buy Okay. Well, conventionally grown crops conventionally grown fruits, vegetables produce, they score high in glyphosate levels. Really? Yes. Okay. So the strawberries the the strawberries that are that are 299. They look great. And then I have the organic strawberries that are that are 399. I know it’s an extra dollar, but the ones that are 299 they’re gonna score higher and glyphosate levels. And you just said that when people ingest that stuff when it gets into their skin, they have a

Josh Simms 25:56
horrible reaction to it. Yeah, if you get enough on it can kill you. Right. I mean, it’s, it’s likely, I mean, Roundup, I think the lawsuits are for cancer. So

Men Explained 26:08
yeah, so that, that those are the two things to know about organic. I mean, it’s it can be pretty daunting to understand that but like, the reality is, is that like, they’re they’re growing them with pesticides are being sprayed with pesticides, and you’re eating that. Yeah. The last thing about the glyphosate too, is that when it comes to like bread or oats, specifically, like they use it as a desiccant. Meaning Okay, I actually have it now. And instead of letting it dry out naturally, I’m going to spray it with roundup so that it dries out quicker. Yeah. And then I he gets to the shelf faster makes me more money faster.

Josh Simms 26:44
Yeah. I didn’t not know that. Yeah. So So organic goats, what is their tell me? Well,

Men Explained 26:49
I would I would say, yeah, say yes. Because of the hard. Yes, yes. I’m not certified. But like, again, you know, like I mentioned before, all this stuff is at our fingertips, we can read about it in just one form conventional oats score high and glyphosates. And the way that they get into the show faster to make more money faster, because it’s a market and is to spray it with that chemical. I’ll pass Yeah. All right. So we’re gonna get into some individual diets.

Josh Simms 27:21
And I think it was good to have that off to say like, we, this is not just about like, this is how you should eat. But this is kind of like, our goal is for people to be healthy, not lean. Right. But like, we want people knowing that they can find right foods that are good for them that are healthy for their bodies that are going to have consequences, right long term exposure to that. I mean, I I don’t have data on it. But does it cause an increase in gi cancers as a cause? I don’t know. But if I can, you know, take the risk. No, I don’t have to. Right. Who knows. But I just I guess I wanted to touch on that to make sure that people understand that’s why we went into the organics in the non GMOs and why that’s important within your diet versus just grabbing stuff off the shelf as you see it.

Men Explained 28:06
Yeah, exactly. Because those are a couple of categories that that really spread themselves across all foods, regardless of the diet that you’re eating. Yep. So take that as your highest point to understand. And then it’ll make things easier to understand when you get into the diet specifically. So do you follow one moderately or aggressively in your own personal

Josh Simms 28:31
life? Like when I do Am I I’m I’m diet conscious and I eat clean, I would say it probably falls in more in line with like a paleo. I the keto is one that I probably couldn’t sustain because I like to eat too much protein. I know it’s like a moderate to kind of lower end protein type diet and high fat. I’m very generalized, and we’ll dig into it. But the Paleo more more meat based vegetables, fruits, little bit of carbohydrates is much more. My body feels better on that. Right evidently feels better on that.

Men Explained 29:05
Yeah. So the first one, and this is going to be very relevant because it’s something that we see a lot in marketing advertising. It’s the it’s the catch word is keto. Right. So this is this is that’s short for keto genic diet, which has made a lot of prominence, not least because it does work for people that want to lose weight pretty fast. But it’s also really helpful or has been shown to be really helpful for patients or people who have epilepsy.

Josh Simms 29:35
Yeah, I was reading that. Yeah, I did see that. It. It showed reduced epileptic seizures, right. I did see that. Yeah.

Men Explained 29:43
So when no synthetics would work. And when every other diet wouldn’t work. me die wasn’t even the first. first line of defense when everything else synthetic wasn’t working was actually a ketogenic diet. That would actually work. Yeah.

Josh Simms 29:55
And I think I think there’s been some data that shows that intermittent fasting has some positive outcomes in that too.

Men Explained 30:03
Yep. So exactly right. So a ketogenic diet is a high fat, low carb diet, right so.

Josh Simms 30:10
And really what what it is, is that your body’s using its fat as an energy source, yep, through ketosis, which basically means when you deplete the carbohydrates in your body, your body has to rely on another source of energy, which fat is very good at that. And we’re talking about calories, right, that’s just kind of the amount of heat it takes to burn off the energy or to ignite the energy if you will kind of like a different octane of gas, fat per gram, nine calories per gram of carbohydrate is 44 calories per gram, same with protein is four. So fat is a very energy dense nutrient, right? So it actually people think they kind of feel tired, they get that, you know, referred to as the keto flu, but then they feel pretty energetic because fat has so much stored energy in and we can use it pretty well and utilize it through kind of this relatively complicated biochemical process where the cells kind of convert different things and form ketones, which are are a good source for energy.

Men Explained 31:06
Right? So it’s high fat, it’s low carb. So it’s going to be you know, from a produce perspective, it’s going to be your raspberries, blackberries, strawberries, that’s that there you could you could do more but like you’re going to be flirting with more carbs. Yep. Right. Yep. Vegetables if it’s green, it’s good to go pretty much across the across the board their meats. I think it’s pretty straightforward if it’s if it’s high fat, so you know beef chicken game, lamb, pork, bacon, sausage, fatty fishes, most seafoods with with dairy it’s gonna be butter, ghee, heavy cream eggs. I mean, it sounds fantastic.

Josh Simms 31:45
Yeah. No milk, by the way, it can’t milk is very high lactose and trigger on that,

Men Explained 31:50
right? No, go on the milk. So lack. Is that for like lactose intolerance or

Josh Simms 31:55
no, because the sugar? Yeah, there’s it but there’s a V just look, grab like a jug of milk present pretty decent amount of sugar on it. But that’s why you get your heavy whipping cream butters and you do your bulletproof type coffees and stuff like that. You can use that because it’s fat versus sugar to give it the flavor, right? Yeah.

Men Explained 32:11
So if anybody’s lactose intolerant, they could still eat the like the parm crisps. And those are really popular. Because the lactose, doesn’t the lactose get eaten in that process, so they’re drying it out?

Josh Simms 32:29
That’s a good question. That’s a good question. I don’t know the answer to that. Okay, not 100% Sure. that most of the time lactose intolerant people pretty sensitive to any dairy man, because, you know, dairy can sometimes be a broad term, but any lactose based product, okay, but give people some treble cheeses, milks even butter, I

Unknown Speaker 32:46
believe. Okay. Yeah,

Men Explained 32:49
so I don’t 100% sure on that. Then some of the the fats that we have akata oil, coconut butter, coconut oil, some of those oils that we mentioned before. And then good snack, so beef jerky parm crisp pork rinds, which are I’m not a fan of nothing. I didn’t

Josh Simms 33:04
know that but it was so terrible. Yeah, they’re not appetizing. And the beef jerky got to make sure you get like the low sugar beef jerky is more of a salty than it is that sweet that you can find that sweet beef jerky is actually pretty good. Because actually has a lot of sugar in it. So

Men Explained 33:20
yeah. And and you could apply the same thing so you can buy how many different kinds of almonds?

Josh Simms 33:25
Couple 100. Yeah, I can buy some nice sugary Yeah, cinnamon coated almonds that I can eat until my eyeballs bug out in my head. But right you know, my blood sugar’s through the roof. And yeah, we’re getting fat eating all these tasty All

Men Explained 33:38
right. Um, yeah, so I mean, you know, with the stack, so high fat nuts, almonds, Brazil, nuts, macadamia nuts, pecans, pili. Nuts. ketogenic diets are are great. And I think if people want to lose a lot of weight fast, I think they see a lot of really good results. If you’re getting your butt in the gym, on that diet over the long term, and you’re looking for results, what’s going to happen to their energy levels, and what’s gonna happen to them,

Josh Simms 34:06
it gets tough, right, because your, your carbohydrates are such a big source of energy for your body. So a lot of the times where people on keto diets will do is they’ll just have ketones ready to go. Because you because so let’s talk about how the brain functions really quick. It is one of the biggest consumers of your energy throughout the day. I’m a neuroscience major so I can talk about some of this stuff. So humblebrag now so when I was an undergrad, we talked about this like your brain at rest, when you’re just sitting there dumb to the world is consuming, it’s something like 40% of the energy in your body from all the little sodium potassium channels, all these different neurons that are firing all the time. Your your brain is soaking up carbohydrates all the time. So like when you say remember when you’re in college and study for like five hours straight and then you just be wiped done. Well your body and you just have to like Gosh, I gotta like drink that Mountain Dew and eat those Cookies, I got to eat food. Because your brain is saying I need to sugar you want to function, you better give me You better give me something right now. So when you deplete that, and you’re not converting ketones quickly enough, you’ll see people crash hard, they’ll get real tired, they’ll feel kind of dumb, nobody slow to respond, you pop them with some ketones like a ketone drink, and their brain just like lights up, because it’s all that energy to them. So if you’re lacking that, and that’s not a sustainable thing to do, right, you can’t just sit there and drink ketones all day, because then you’re never using the ketones that your body is producing. It’s only kind of a break glass type thing and emergency break glass. So it’s not a sustainable thing to just supplement with ketone drink all the time. But if you’re ignoring that, yeah, I mean, your body can’t recover your body requires glucose to stores and your muscles to function better. Now you can. You know, it’s one of those things where people do it well, and they look good, and they sustain it, but it’s, it’s almost one, it’s kind of an all consuming diet, in a way. It’s really one of those things, any people that do it are, I mean, there’s like podcast dedicated to doing the ketogenic diet. And so it just, I don’t know, I, I don’t want to trash any of these things. Because I would say, because I know, it doesn’t work for me, I’ve tried, and I wasn’t successful on this. But I’m not gonna say don’t do it. But you some point, you got to like, man, if you’re training and doing like, you run, right? I mean, like, you run long distances, you you got to have some carbs in your diet, you know, especially in the middle of like a 10 day, or if you’re doing a halfway, you got to have something. So I think it gets a little tricky there, especially for people who aren’t ready to dive into that all the way and be very, very well researched, and learn and educated on the diet itself.

Men Explained 36:44
I tried it for about a month, and I made a concerted effort to it. And I found out that it was just like you said it was it was it was almost more than a part time job. Yeah, the goal here is is okay, I want to get a better relationship with food. I don’t want it to be my life. I want it to help my life and I want it to improve my life. I don’t want it to become my life.

Josh Simms 37:03
Yeah. Because there’s very few people who should do that. Right. Yeah, bodybuilders, endurance athletes that are getting paid to do that. Those are the people that should be like, I have to spend a good 25% of my day planning and making sure my diet is spot on, right, elite, elite level athletes who they make their living through their body. But guys like you and I, right? Like, I can’t, I just can’t do that. It’s it’s, I mean, some people, you know, I think eventually you just kind of fall into it. But like, I don’t even know if I’ve got the time in my life to make that big of a change and to constantly have to invest time and energy into doing that. And my wife tried it to film the same thing. Like I just, it feels restrictive, to write Yes, for some people, because if you do have some carbs, and you get out of ketosis, it takes time to get back into it. Right. And there’s some people again, I’m not not trying to trash it, but I don’t want to walk down that line, if this works for everybody, because some people like once they’re in ketosis, they feel amazing. And they do really, really well on it. You know, the only way to do that is just to try it.

Men Explained 38:07
Yeah, the idea should be to work. Work smarter. Not harder. Exactly. Shouldn’t consume your, your everyday. Yeah. So the next thing that we’re going to talk about here is paleo, which is short for Paleolithic. So this is trying to eat like we did as hunters and gatherers. Right? So it was natural as either grown here. It’s It’s from the earth. Me personally, I think it would be fair to say that I do a a 25% keto ketogenic diet and 75% paleo Yeah, that’s sometimes it might vary a little bit. That’s what has worked well for me. So again, this is going to be avoiding anything that’s processed, avoiding the middleman at all costs. So meat, fish, eggs, vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, herbs, spices, healthy fats and oils, avoiding processed foods, sugar, soft, soft drinks, grains, if, if you’re going to eat grains, you should make them count.

Josh Simms 39:07
Yeah. For organic oatmeal. Yeah, and I think a really easy way to put this to people is, if you can’t pull out a grant and pick it up a tree from a carb standpoint, don’t eat it. Right? Stupid simple, right? People don’t get that but it’s true. If you think about it, bread, owning that right cereals, all those types of things, like if you can’t pull that thing out of the ground or pull it off of a tree. To me, that’s kind of the Paleo Diet if you can’t kill it, and cook it and eat it. Right. Right. That’s kind of what it is. That’s a hunter gatherer mentality. And that’s how they survived and that’s the very simple way to look at it. I mean, we can we can we’ll dig into that. So

Men Explained 39:47
yeah, it’s the process stuff that we’re trying to avoid the middleman all the all the production of it, right. So you know, you mentioned the thing with the grains, I think with bread, like you know, you can go to the market and you can grab those Like really heavy loaves of like oat nut seed breads. Yeah. If you’re going to eat grains, you should make them count because when your body digests those there’s nutritional value in those seeds in those nuts, you can get something from them. Yeah,

Josh Simms 40:14
I think I think there was a study done a few years ago we’re in one of the big conclusions was one of the big problems with the American diet is that it’s not necessarily I mean, it is what we eat, but it’s a lot of what we don’t eat. We are very deficient seeds and nuts big time. That was one of the big conclusions they found on that. So

Men Explained 40:33
yeah, the artificial sweeteners. So if it’s if it’s artificially or naturally flavored, that’s another chemical. That’s another fancy word for like it was it was built in a lab.

Josh Simms 40:46
Yeah. How do you feel about stevia?

Men Explained 40:48
stevia is good. stevia monk fruits. Great.

Josh Simms 40:51
I’ve never tried that before.

Aaron Tharp 40:52
stevia and monk fruit are the two that the people should go

Josh Simms 40:55
off to go off to try that. monkfruit I’ve never I’ve always been stevia, stevia. Yeah,

Men Explained 41:00
monkfruit doesn’t have as sweet of study is actually Sweeter, sweeter than sugar, ma’am. Yeah. Then monk, monk fruits a little bit dialed back. But those are the two really good options. Let’s check that out. Anything like you know, aspartame or, or the sweeteners or any of that stuff that’s not good for you. I mean, it’s those chemicals that when they process this stuff, it’s made with chemicals that are not designed just to taste good. They’re designed to go after triggers and things in your brain. So that you’ll eat more so that you’ll buy more, it’s a biochemical thing.

Josh Simms 41:34
Right? So people there is a really strong connection between like your taste buds, and your brain and body being sated. Right. So when you do drink, like I mean, like this, the you know, the joke is always accompany skinny people, these eat vegan diet coke, right? Because when you do drink a Diet Coke is loaded with aspartame, or these kind of fake sugars, like your body’s your brain is saying, Okay, I’m getting that sweet response. But I’m not getting any nutritional value from it. You got to give me something like I got to have something else. Right? So that’s when they eat the chips. Are they eat something else because the brain is is sensing like, Okay, I’m sensing for my taste buds, I’m tasting something sweet. But I’m getting I’m not getting a blood sugar response from it, right? So, again, Pop is not good. But if you if you give people like little eight ounce of coke, they’re probably not going to I mean, if they, you know, in somewhat of a healthy mindset from a diet standpoint, they’re probably not going to go nuts and eat a bunch more food on top of that, because they’re going okay, I got the sugar, my brain tasted the sugar. And then I got the blood sugar spike, my body was able to respond to it. My brain got that glucose that it wants. Now we can move on with our day. But if you’re like, Oh, I need I need a little energy. I drink a pop and what the caffeine your brains want. Yeah, I don’t need caffeine. I need sugar. And that’s when you get the big binge after that.

Men Explained 42:51
Now I know that you’ve heard this before but when people try to give up pop specifically diet pop, they talk about the fact that they’re having massive headaches.

Josh Simms 42:59
Yeah. Totally validates sugar caffeine, man. That response? Yeah, it’s rough. And it’s a it’s a quite drastic, and people are pretty miserable man.

Men Explained 43:07
Yeah. So it doesn’t mean that we’ll stay there. But that’s that’s your body’s that. Usually you’re talking about the same processes to withdraw.

Josh Simms 43:14
I mean, it’s withdraw. Yeah, let’s just put it say what it is. It’s withdraw. Yeah.

Men Explained 43:19
So I’m going to take an opportunity here to talk about the sugar. So we’ve been talking about your brain’s reaction to sugars. When you’re reading a label. It’s gonna have you know, fats, you’re serving sidescan of your fat sat fats, it’s gonna have sodium it’s gonna have you’re gonna have total sugar, and then we’ll have added sugars. Total sugars is just where it’s naturally not. It’s a natural selection. Apple has a total sugar amount.

Josh Simms 43:44
Yeah, right. Yeah. Do you ever see no added sugars in a bump?

Aaron Tharp 43:47

Josh Simms 43:48
it’s all added sugar. 100%.

Men Explained 43:51
Yeah. And if it’s not actual cane sugar, it was something ending an OC. Yeah. That is actually just redesigned and renamed. But it’s actually sugar. Yeah.

Josh Simms 44:02
Yeah. Just before it’s so the way that that it’s named based off of its chemical structure, right? How many carbs? How many carbons and whatever. And it changes the type of post glucose, some whatever, right? A different sugars has just a different it’s just a longer chain. Right? So that’s what changes the name of it. But at the end of the day, right, the old thing that people used to do is they take a potato and chew on it. She wanted to on it chew on and and the enzymes in the mouth will break it down everything you put into your body, every carbohydrate, everything eventually ends up at glucose, right? So they chew on a potato, and then they say, Okay, wait, keep chewing on it, and then it would get really sweet. Because glucose is sweet, right? So the enzymes in the mouth of break it down into glucose. So it’s very interesting that again, my point is it’s supporting what you’re saying is that all those different doses are just going to be triggered. Someone’s exactly right. It’s just how fast it turns into it. Right? So Oh, yeah.

Men Explained 44:57
If we if we change the name on it, maybe they won’t know. Yeah. Right, it’s exactly the same thing.

Josh Simms 45:01
They don’t know how it is people don’t know what that means they’re not supposed to. That’s not that’s not the guy who’s low maintenance on his jobs. I know what that is. Right? So

Men Explained 45:08
yeah, so I’m going to add something here about added sugars, which is the next line down. So it’s gonna have, it’s gonna have total sugars. And Apple Scott, I don’t know exactly, I thought man, it’s gonna be 16 grams of total sugar. Now, the added sugar is what we what we actually really need to pay attention to. So for example, let’s say that you have a snack that you really like it’s a trail mix, you think it’s healthy, whatever. And in a cup of it, it has, let’s say 16 grams of added sugar. You’re thinking, Okay, that’s kind of a lot, but like to illustrate that even more clearly. four grams of added sugar is the equivalent of a teaspoon of white cane sugar. So in that cup of trail mix that you had, it would be the same thing as taking four teaspoons of white cane sugar and then throwing it down your gullet. Yeah. So I don’t know, I don’t care who you are like that. Right? There should just be enough to tell you that like the added sugar is the thing on the label that you should really be mindful. Yep.

Josh Simms 46:07
And I think the important thing that people should understand about the way that sugar works in our body is we ingest it right? And then our blood sugar spikes. Yep, right in our body. That’s not a bad thing, right, you eat a meal, your your blood sugar goes up, your body will utilize that for energy. When you get a big old spike from a bunch of sugar, your body uses insulin and uses other metabolic processes to use that burger and right well in the excess, the insolence sweeps it away. But at some point, the body goes, Okay, I’ve used all this for my muscles. And for my brain. Now I got X amount just hanging out. Well, it’s energy. How can I? What can I do with that energy? What do you think the body does with the excess sugar

Aaron Tharp 46:46
that can be converted to fat? percent?

Josh Simms 46:48
Yeah. So that’s what the body does, I got those energy. Well, I’m gonna store this for later, you want to put up around your gun to put on your ass and I’m putting on hits, right? So it’s like, that’s why when you control people’s blood sugar’s with their diet, they will lose weight, all of them will, because it’s not spiking and dipping and you’re not getting the ups and downs and keto is great for that. paleo is really good for that, like those. That’s what these diets are really good for us for controlling your blood sugar levels with the proper healthy foods that your body needs to function.

Men Explained 47:17
Yeah. The the bread thing was, that reminded me of like, when you see refined wheat, oats, wheat bread, and so it’s like, Okay, what they did was they took a whole wheat and they removed the germ, they removed the, you know, all the really good fiber. And they took it out and so that you were left with what? Just the simple car? Yeah, so yeah, it’s wheat bread, maybe pay a good price for it, but it’s gonna spike your blood sugar, then they they pumped a bunch of fake fiber back into it that was mechanically or genetically or messed with in a lab. And if they brought the the fiber down low enough, or they add a lot of fiber so that you could, you know, from a macro standpoint, label a keto than that’s the direction that they would go. Oh, yeah. Right.

Josh Simms 48:05
Yeah. I think one of the things about the the, like the trueblue keto people, right, they are, they are having a paleo approach, right. They’re picking their stuff off the tree, and they’re pulling it out of the ground. That’s, that’s how they’re getting whatever they’re eating. But then, you know, the mass marketing comes in and they go, Oh, yeah, I get this keto thing. And I was, I was reading some of these keto labels, and I’m like, okay, so it has 14 grams of sugar, which is about the max you can have on the keto diet, but these are sugar alcohols. What the hell is that? Like, I don’t under I still can’t wrap my head around how that makes it. And then it’s got four grams of fiber. So it’s a net zero carbohydrates. I’m like, Am I supposed to be Am I supposed to believe that? Because this thing really does taste like a Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup. And so it’s it’s very dope. Yeah, I mean, I think real people who aren’t real legit keto diets aren’t eating that stuff. You know, right. The Atkins or the you know, Kellogg’s keto, it’s

Men Explained 48:57
a fat mom. You know, she’d buy this the hell is that? What is? Yeah, it’s a marketing gimmick is what it is. So the next thing that we’re going to get into the skinny the one of the last ones here is is vegetarian now. There are there are layers as with a lot of the things that we’ve covered here, there are different layers, but vegetarian is abstaining from from from meat and fish that’s just at a very base level that you can get into like I avoid dairy. I avoid a fish and poultry, the byproducts of the animal Yeah, right. So the big one, and this isn’t going to surprise anybody is is the vegan? Yep. Right. So this is you don’t even use animal products at all. And you also don’t use any byproducts. So like, even if your chapstick has anything that came from something that had eyes at any time you don’t use it. Yep.

Josh Simms 49:51
Yeah, it’s it’s a lifestyle. It’s not a diet. This is very much a lifestyle right to deviate, not that serious, but to do vegan for a month once

Men Explained 49:59
now. It’s It’s it can be very good for a cleanse. So like if you’re trying to like get things going, and maybe keto is not the direction that you go. But if you want to do a cleanse, you want to kind of do a level reset actually a short term vegan since not a bad direction. The problem that we see are the things that you and I’ve talked about is that lifestyle becomes identity. And then you get the carnivores. And then you get the vegans and they’re right or wrong. us versus them. It’s like there’s a soul

Josh Simms 50:29
carnivores in that fight.

Men Explained 50:32
Yeah, exactly. But there, there seems to be this mindset where it’s like, okay, I don’t want to have anything bad happen to the animals. That’s fantastic. Yeah. Who doesn’t want that? Right. But that’s a little bit extreme, because there are central vitamins and nutrients, minerals that come from animal products that are vital to the human body. So like, and specifically for women, I would say, you know, we were talking about before the show, it’s like, Okay, if you are if you have your your cycle, once a month, you’re losing blood if you’re not eating animal products, specifically beef, but beyond that, how is how are you replenishing that?

Josh Simms 51:15
Yeah, where’s your iron stores coming? coming from? You do see, I mean, you know, I think as the vegan kind of community grows, they do understand that you do need to supplement certain vitamins and minerals, but like, you could pull that from your diet with very little amount of meats. But the old school people who weren’t doing that mean, those people coming in, they’d go to the doctor and they’d look very sick and they look gray and their labs would be off. Yeah, up, their blood counts would be down. I mean, it would be it throws your body very out of whack. If you don’t manage the micronutrients as people like to use these days. properly. If you’re just going to eat a big night, you’re not going to supplement with with the vitamins and minerals that your body needs that you get from your foods, you’re gonna be in trouble.

Men Explained 51:55
Yeah, and when you see that they’re if they’re, if they’re, like, really married to the diet, if it’s just like their identity, right? They have all these results. They turn gray, they lose the color in their face, they start to kind of lose their hair a little bit

Josh Simms 52:10
here thins out. Yeah. Yeah. He’s very vital nutrients and minerals that your body very, very much needs, man. Yeah.

Men Explained 52:18
And you see with with parents are like, okay, no, my kids vegan, it’s like, wow, I mean, is that is that really the play? I mean, I don’t want to say that it’s right or wrong. But like, I don’t know, just from like, when you’re growing, and you need those things, maybe those are not things that we should be taking away.

Josh Simms 52:37
I think that’s also part of it. But I think it also I think those types of things. Specifically go into like a kid’s mind. I mean, like that can really screw a kid. I mean, like, yeah, my parents, I had achiever, and then they go off to college. And they’re like, in and out every night, man, right? Like, I mean, they’re going, they’re gonna go the complete opposite way. Yeah. Not all the time. But sometimes when the kids do you restrict them, and you hold them down, you know, introducing new things and ages. Once they get that taste of freedom. They go completely off the rails, right? And then the parents are like, Oh, I’m a failure of a parent, like, why don’t you just let your kid have a cheeseburger once in a while, maybe, you know,

Men Explained 53:16
you can avoid a lot of that resentment by by by trying to not impose Yeah, your beliefs, which have been around for 20 years, because you’ve had time to flush them out? Yeah. impose them on a blank slate on a growing blank slate. Yeah. I just don’t think that that’s the right approach.

Josh Simms 53:33
I agree. I fully agree. I mean, I think at some point, I mean, they’re there. They’re just like you and I, right. They’re an independent mind that’s going to make their own decision at some point in their life, whether you like it or not, because of what your belief structure is. It’s a different conversation. Right. But I just think that, yeah, I agree with you, I don’t think that’s a good thing.

Men Explained 53:54
If you care about the environment, which we should all that’s a great,

Josh Simms 53:59
which, by the way, there’s not a lot of people, you won’t find that care about the environment more than like true, like hunters, they are very, very, very in tune with the environment and the way the world is, and like how they know that their role actually is very important in the way the structure of the hierarchy of animals and how if you don’t lower animal populations in a certain way, it’ll destroy that that specific place. Like if you talk to guys who are really into hunting, you’d be surprised at how in tune and well, they’re very well educated on how the world works from an environmental standpoint, from a nature standpoint, how that’s important. It’s very interesting. Yeah, that’s

Aaron Tharp 54:37
a good point. Yeah, it’s a really good point. If

Josh Simms 54:39
you haven’t looked into that, man, you should. It’s really quoting Rogan talks about that a little bit. And, I mean, you’ll see states states parks and stuff being like, Hey, we need a little more deer hunting because these things are starting to change. And it’s it’s really interesting, it’s really interesting side note to that. So

Men Explained 54:53
that’s a really good point to add. Because you do get a lot of the the lifestyle No, we care about the environment, we care about the animals. That’s fantastic. And to your point, it’s, there’s a necessity to that. Yeah. But beyond that, when you’re trying to supplement the things that you know that your need that we talked about before that your body’s telling you that you need just to have dinner, you have 12 products, they all come in packages. So that took processing that took package that took plastic vector shipping, that took all all this processing just so that you could get it’s like, maybe, maybe come just, you should just eat the meat. Because if you care about the environment, look at all these packages and products that for all intents and purposes have a good chance of ending up at the landfill. Exactly. So anyway, I just I think that we’ll end it there. Yeah,

Josh Simms 55:49
I think we’re getting a little long. So yeah,

Men Explained 55:51
we are. But hopefully we’ve distilled down some of the misinformation and some of the myths. Again, we’re not experts, but we’re trying to make it a little easier, trying to try to help you read between the lines. So the takeaway here is to pay attention to your body’s response to what you’re eating your closer to your food, and have a better understanding of where things come from the sources.

Josh Simms 56:14
Yeah. And I think now i think i think there’s kind of this very interesting movement of people coming back to like, you know, the local shop, local thing. You go to butcher shops, the butcher shop that I go to, we’re in Oman now but Council Bluffs, Iowa, just right across the river. It’s called the rustic cuts. And I know the guys who own it. Yeah, I know, it’s coming from their farm. I know it’s processed at their shop. And I know that what I’m looking at is not that old, and I know the process that they do it with. I mean, it’s fantastic. Man, I highly recommend anybody who’s from this region to go go visit rustic cuts over there and Council Bluffs. Its man their meats delicious. It looks great. It tastes great. It’s not oversized, it’s worth it. It’s worth the trip. And you don’t mind. Let’s see, eat that steak when you cook it. You can kind of do it makes me pretty happy.

Men Explained 57:03
Well, you’re just not shoveling down. It’s like, you know, and especially if you grew that critter. Yeah.

Josh Simms 57:07
No, I mean, you said I mean, it’s I mean, it’s it’s an interest. It’s a different flavor. Yeah, it’s very interesting. I mean, like you get people give them a grass fed steak. They are like, it’s a little different. Like, yeah, it’s a grass fed animal versus the outline, but it’s Yeah, I check out rest of customers also look for those guys.

Men Explained 57:24
That’s a good cut. Alright, that’s gonna do it for us. fellas. Thank you so much for listening and reach out with any questions you have. that’s gonna do it for us today. jerison. This podcast was recorded and published by limitless male medical clinic and provided for the private, non commercial use of its listeners. Limitless male owns and retains all rights in and to this podcast. Any use recording, copying, editing, or other reproduction or distribution of this podcast is strictly prohibited. reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by limitless male, its owners positions or employees. The views expressed by the presenters and their guests are their own, and their appearance on the podcast does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent and do not necessarily reflect the view of limitless male. Some of the content provided here in may be subject to copyright by third parties.